R.O.G. Return on Generosity
A half hour interview show featuring innovative leaders who cultivate a culture of giving, belonging and thriving together. In each episode, we’ll explore how generosity at work impacts the bottom line and address cultural dynamics, team behavior and peer relationships.
Episodes

Tuesday Feb 25, 2025
221. Justin Jones-Fosu - Respectfully Disagree
Tuesday Feb 25, 2025
Tuesday Feb 25, 2025
"We need to challenge our perspective.”
"We need to agree to respect."
“Turn confrontation into a conversation.”
“There's humanity on different sides of conversations.”
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Justin Jones-Fosu
01:18 Justin's Upbringing and Early Influences
03:25 Lessons from a Challenging Childhood
05:32 Confronting Absence: A Journey to Understanding
09:12 The Power of Listening and Empathy
11:49 The Power of Three in Communication
16:12 Double Dutch Communication: A New Approach
19:32 Challenging Perspectives in Disagreements
22:24 The State of DEI: A Personal Perspective
29:57 Inclusive Conversations: Best Practices
36:58 Cultivating Curiosity and Understanding
42:14 The Importance of Respect and Perspective
44:05 Rapid Fire Insights and Personal Reflections
Episode Summary:
In this engaging conversation, Shannon Cassidy interviews Justin Jones-Fosu, a dynamic speaker and social entrepreneur, about his life experiences and insights on meaningful work, inclusion, and effective communication. Justin shares his challenging upbringing, the lessons learned from his mother, and the importance of empathy and understanding in conversations. He discusses the power of listening, the significance of asking deeper questions, and the concept of 'double dutch' communication. In this engaging conversation, Shannon Cassidy and Justin Jones-Fosu explore the themes of inclusion, vulnerability, and curiosity in interpersonal conversations. They discuss best practices for fostering inclusive dialogues, the importance of being vulnerable, and how curiosity can lead to deeper understanding. Justin shares personal anecdotes and insights on how to cultivate an inclusive mindset and the significance of respect in discussions. The conversation wraps up with rapid-fire questions that reveal Justin's personal reflections and values.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Listening is more than hearing; it's about comprehension and empathy.
Challenging perspectives is essential for personal and professional growth.
Diversity encompasses all differences, not just race and gender.
Shame-based approaches to DEI hinder progress and understanding.
Honest conversations are crucial for effective DEI initiatives.
Empathy is key in navigating disagreements and understanding others.
Inclusion starts with including everyone in the conversation.
Vulnerability encourages others to share their experiences.
Curiosity leads to deeper understanding and connection.
Respect is more important than simply agreeing to disagree.
Personal stories can help bridge gaps in understanding.
Self-care practices can enhance personal growth and achievement.
Acknowledging others fosters a culture of appreciation.
Guest Bio:
Justin Jones-Fosu is the embodiment of energy, both at home as a dedicated father to two spirited children and atop the world's highest peaks, having recently conquered one of the famed 7 Summits. But Justin's passion for elevation doesn't end with trekking, it's mirrored in his professional ascent as a captivating business speaker, innovative social entrepreneur, and insightful workplace researcher.
At the helm of Work. Meaningful., Justin is the driving force and CEO behind a movement that empowers organizations across the globe, delivering over 50 keynote addresses a year on the pivotal topics of meaningful work and inclusion. His mission is to ignite a transformation in corporate culture, guiding organizations and individuals to ascend to their peak potential through mastery of mindset, purpose, and performance.
Justin is not only a pathfinder in the wilderness but also in the literary world, authoring essential reads such as "Your WHY Matters NOW," "The Inclusive Mindset," and his latest thought-provoker, “I Respectfully Disagree: How to have Difficult Conversations in a Divided World.” His work is a compass for those seeking direction on creating connections in an often-fragmented society.
With a flair for infusing humor into his well-researched content, Justin doesn't just give a speech; he crafts an experience, leaving his audience not just informed but transformed. His approach is not merely to inform but to inspire, not just to direct but to make a difference.
Resources:
Justin's Website: Work Meaningful
Book: Your Why Matters Now
Book: The Inclusive Mindset
Free Chapter Here
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
5 Year Gratitude Journal:
Grounded in Gratitude on Etsy
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Justin Jones-Fosu, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 222, Special Guest, Lyn Wineman.

Tuesday Feb 18, 2025
220. Tessa White - The Job Doctor
Tuesday Feb 18, 2025
Tuesday Feb 18, 2025
"Feedback is a gift.”
"You do what is best for your career, not what's comfortable for other people."
“We trust the people who tell us the truth.”
“I really subscribe to the idea that you should do something once a year that scares the crap out of you.”
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Tessa White and Her Journey
02:51 Navigating Career Challenges and Generosity in Leadership
05:45 The Birth of The Job Doctor and Accidental Influence
08:58 Overcoming Adversity: Tessa's Personal Story
11:57 Writing 'The Unspoken Truths for Career Success'
14:54 Playing in the Gap: Prioritizing What Matters
17:51 Managing Workload and Setting Boundaries
21:55 Finding Balance: Something's Got to Give
25:59 The Gift of Feedback and Performance Lies
27:41 The Importance of Feedback
30:19 Seeking Honest Feedback
33:44 Understanding Power and Influence
36:36 Identifying and Solving Gaps
39:50 Navigating Conflict in the Workplace
43:31 Celebrating Success and Book Launch
45:45 Evaluating Career Opportunities
Episode Summary:
In this conversation, Tessa White, founder of The Job Doctor, shares her journey from a secretary to a leading HR executive and now a career coach. She discusses the importance of navigating workplace challenges, the power of feedback, and the necessity of prioritizing what truly matters in one's career. Tessa emphasizes the significance of personal growth, setting boundaries, and understanding the dynamics of workplace politics. Her insights are drawn from her extensive experience and her new book, 'The Unspoken Truths for Career Success.'
In this conversation, Tessa White discusses the critical role of feedback in professional development, the importance of seeking honest feedback, and the dynamics of power and influence in the workplace. She emphasizes the need for individuals to identify and solve gaps within their organizations, navigate conflict effectively, and evaluate career opportunities based on personal values. Tessa also shares her personal experiences, including her book launch and the significance of resilience in career growth.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Setting boundaries is essential to avoid burnout.
Feedback should be viewed as a gift for personal growth.
Understanding what your manager values can help prioritize tasks.
Personal experiences shape professional insights and advice.
Women and men both need support in navigating their careers.
It's important to make decisions that keep you whole and healthy.
Feedback is essential for career growth and understanding perceptions.
Seeking feedback from diverse sources can yield more honest insights.
Perception is reality; changing how others perceive you is crucial.
Power and influence are necessary for credibility in the workplace.
Identifying gaps and solving problems can lead to career advancement.
Conflict is often avoided, but addressing it can build trust.
Assuming good intent in conversations fosters better communication.
Start small when trying to make changes in your organization.
Resilience is a valuable trait in overcoming career challenges.
Evaluate career opportunities based on personal values and goals.
Guest Bio:
Tessa White, the founder of The Job Doctor, and author of The Unspoken Truths for Career Success. Her thought leadership on the modern workplace makes her a frequent guest on national television shows and in top tier publications. She has amassed more than 1 million followers on social media, and she is ranked in the top 2% of creators on her LIVE career sessions on TikTok.
The Job Doctor is a company dedicated to moving employee performance from average to extraordinary and building strong company leaders with highly engaged employees. Tessa is recognized nationwide as a media expert on people strategy and career navigation, and has been published in Forbes, Entrepreneur, Apple News, and Inc. Frequently used by investors to assess the people strategies of many companies, she has led multiple restructures, acquisitions, and prepared companies for initial public offerings.
She has worked at the highest levels in both small start-ups and Fortune 50 companies. At United Health Group she led company-wide talent management and people strategy redesign project, which helped shape her ideas on creating an engaged workforce. In 2016, she helped lead the Vivint Solar team to be recognized as one of Glass Door’s Top 20 Companies to Work. She is a frequent television guest on Career Navigation and is featured on Season 2 of The Social Movement on Amazon Prime. Tessa also won the President’s Award at PowerQuest /Symantec for Innovation, awarded only to the top 2% of the company.
She has led the company Human Capital interests on multiple Boards including Vivint Solar’s partnership with Blackstone, one of the world’s leading investment firms Today, she is an active advisory board member to one of the nation’s top entrepreneur programs, Utah State University’s Huntsman School of Business; she also serves on the boards of Utah Valley University Women’s Center and Dahlia’s Hope (https://www.dahliashope.org), a center that helps sex-trafficking victims recover and rebuild their lives.
If there is time leftover, she loves fly-fishing.
Resources:
Tessa's Website: TheJobDoctor.com
Tessa's resources and links: Tessa White on Stan
CareerRx
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
5 Year Gratitude Journal:
Grounded in Gratitude on Etsy
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Tessa White, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 221, Special Guest, Justin Jones-Fosu.

Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
219. Dr. Maureen Reusche - Graceful Generosity
Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
"We lead how we were led.”
"Generosity is giving of your time.'"
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Maureen Reusche
03:02 Dr. Reusche's Educational Journey
06:12 Building Relationships in Education
09:00 The Influence of Family on Leadership
11:47 Generosity in Leadership
15:03 Navigating Challenges During the Pandemic
18:08 The Role of a Superintendent
21:04 The Importance of Presence and Communication
23:50 Encouragement and Mentorship in Leadership
26:48 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome
30:36 Work Ethic and Connection
32:14 Breaking Barriers: First Female Superintendent
34:56 The Importance of Representation
35:43 Rapid Fire Insights
41:05 The Joy of Grandparenthood
44:03 Living a Good Life
45:36 Legacy and Impact
Episode Summary:
In this episode of the ROG Return of Generosity podcast, Dr. Jabari Whitehead interviews Dr. Maureen Reusche, an accomplished educational leader with over three decades of experience. They discuss Dr. Reusche's journey from classroom teacher to superintendent, the importance of building relationships in education, and how her upbringing influenced her leadership style. The conversation also delves into the role of generosity in leadership, particularly during challenging times like the COVID-19 pandemic, and the significance of mentorship and encouragement in professional growth.
Dr. Maureen Reusche reflects on her work ethic, the significance of being the first female superintendent, and the importance of representation in leadership roles. She shares personal anecdotes about her grandchildren, her views on living a good life, and the legacy she hopes to leave behind. The discussion highlights the joy of connection, mentorship, and the impact of decisions on people.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Generosity in leadership is primarily about giving time to others.
Imposter syndrome is a common challenge for leaders, but can be overcome.
Generosity in leadership fosters a positive and supportive environment.
A strong work ethic involves being hands-on and connected with the team.
Representation matters; it inspires future generations.
Personal experiences shape our understanding of leadership.
Living authentically is key to a good life.
Consideration of others' feelings is crucial in decision-making.
Humor and joy can be found in everyday interactions.
Mentorship plays a vital role in personal and professional growth.
Legacy is about the impact we have on others.
Guest Bio:
Dr. Maureen Reusche is an accomplished educational leader with over three decades of experience in driving systemic change across K-12 school districts. Currently serving as the Superintendent of the School District of Haverford Township in Pennsylvania, Dr. Reusche has demonstrated a deep commitment to educational excellence, financial stewardship, and community engagement. Under her leadership, the district has navigated the challenges of COVID-19 while ensuring continuous support for students, staff, and programs, particularly for special education students. She is also the architect of initiatives aimed at fostering a greater sense of belonging among students and enhancing district-wide communication.
Previously, Dr. Reusche served as the Superintendent of Cherry Hill Public Schools, where she led efforts to integrate equity budgeting, promoted sustainability, and built strong community partnerships. Her career has spanned roles including Assistant Superintendent in both Cherry Hill and Radnor Township School Districts, and Elementary Principal, where she led curricular improvements and staff development programs that emphasized technology integration.
Dr. Reusche holds a Doctor of Education in Educational Administration from Widener University, a Master of Education in Technology in Education from Rosemont College, and a Bachelor of Science in Education from Villanova University. Her extensive teaching background includes faculty positions at several institutions, including Arcadia University, Cabrini College, and Rosemont College, where she has shared her expertise on curriculum design, technology integration, and instructional leadership.
A recognized leader in educational technology and curriculum development, Dr. Reusche has authored and presented numerous professional development workshops and conference sessions. She has also been awarded multiple competitive grants for innovative projects in technology integration and curriculum development. Her passion for education extends to various professional affiliations and volunteer roles, where she continues to shape the future of education at both the state and national levels.
Resources:
"Build Your Reputation as a Trustworthy Leader" by Ron Carucci
Superintendent Dr. Maureen Reusche | The School District of Haverford Township
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
5 Year Gratitude Journal:
Grounded in Gratitude on Etsy
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Dr. Maureen Reusche, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Jabari Whitehead.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 220, Special Guest, Tessa White.

Tuesday Feb 04, 2025
218. Steve Ramona - Always Be Serving
Tuesday Feb 04, 2025
Tuesday Feb 04, 2025
"Meet 10 to 15 new people every week.”
"Ask, How can I help you? Shut up, listen.'"
“Get better 1% every day.”
“Start building your network today.”
“It's bringing value to people and transforming them very little or transforming them a lot. That's it.”
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Steve Ramona and His Impact
01:25 Building Relationships: The Foundation of Success
06:24 The ASLA Principle: Ask, Shut Up, Listen, Ask
10:03 Networking: Expanding Your Connections
12:47 Serving Before Selling: The Power of Generosity
20:08 Paying Attention: The Key to Serving Others
23:37 The Power of Generosity
24:26 Gratitude and Perspective
25:36 The Art of Serving
28:43 Slow and Steady Wins the Race
30:06 Transformational Networking
32:45 Always Be Listening and Serving
33:44 Rapid Fire Insights
40:29 Building Relationships Through Listening
42:16 Opportunities to Serve in Crisis
Episode Summary:
In this engaging conversation, Shannon Cassidy interviews Steve Ramona, a super connector known for his ability to build partnerships through personalized introductions. Steve shares his journey from working at a health club to becoming a successful entrepreneur and podcaster. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships, the ASLA principle (Ask, Shut Up, Listen, Ask), and the power of serving others before selling. The discussion highlights practical networking strategies and the significance of self-awareness in serving others effectively.
Steve Ramona and Shannon Cassidy explore the transformative power of generosity, gratitude, and service. They discuss how serving others can lead to personal growth and stronger relationships, emphasizing the importance of listening and being present. The dialogue also touches on the significance of building a supportive community, especially in times of crisis, and the value of continuous self-improvement. Through personal anecdotes and practical advice, they inspire listeners to embrace a mindset of service and connection.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Building genuine relationships is key to success in business.
The ASLA principle encourages effective communication: Ask, Shut Up, Listen, Ask.
Networking is essential; Aim to connect with 10-15 new people weekly.
Self-awareness is crucial for understanding how to serve others better.
Acts of kindness can have a profound impact on people's lives.
Practicing gratitude and service can transform your mindset.
Listening actively can uncover opportunities to help others.
The ripple effect of generosity can create lasting change in communities.
Serving others can lead to unexpected opportunities.
Listening is a crucial skill in building relationships.
Transformational networking is about serving, not just taking.
Slow and steady efforts in service yield faster results over time.
We can all bring value to others, regardless of our situation.
Building a network starts with taking action today.
Guest Bio:
Steve Ramona discovered his passion for connection and collaboration at an early age and is dedicated to sharing his unique approach to achieving success. Known for forging meaningful relationships, Steve thrives on making introductions that empower others and observing the remarkable growth that follows.
As the host of the acclaimed podcast "Doing Business with a Servant's Heart," Steve leverages his deep understanding of the Law of Increase to inspire his audience through compelling stories of resilience and service. His infectious enthusiasm for uplifting others has contributed to the podcast's success, resonating with over 40,000 listeners per episode.
A seasoned super-connector, Steve specializes in building strategic partnerships through personalized introductions that go above and beyond. His unique approach includes detailed email introductions accompanied by video explanations, which have facilitated an impressive $25 million in deals over the past 11 years. This remarkable track record reflects the immense value he brings to each connection he fosters.
In addition to his podcast, Steve is the host of the television show "Together We Serve," which boasts a monthly audience of 1.2 million viewers. The show highlights inspiring stories from CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs, showcasing the power of collaboration and partnership. Steve excels at identifying exceptional individuals to partner with, enabling fruitful collaborations that benefit all parties involved.
Beyond his media endeavors, Steve is a partner at Anemos LLC, an energy partnership firm dedicated to fostering growth within the energy sector. By providing consulting services that can significantly increase revenue, Anemos LLC values its partnerships and is committed to working with high-caliber professionals. Alongside partners Max Lambright and Josh Tapp, who bring decades of experience in large-scale funding and consulting, Steve is actively expanding opportunities within the industry.
With a commitment to personal development and mentorship, Steve believes that individual growth is essential for collective success. He is an avid reader and continuously seeks knowledge to empower himself and others. Through his network and resources, Steve is passionate about helping business people realize their full potential and achieve their goals.
Resources:
Doing Business with a Servant’s Heart Podcast
Steve Ramona on Linkedin (in/steveramona)
Steve Ramona on Facebook (@steve.ramona)
Steve Ramona on Twitter/X (@oppbroker)
Steve Ramona on Instagram (@bizopportunitynow)
Steve Ramona on TikTok (@podcastmentor)
InPhone Silicon Valley
Podcast Accelarator Network
InPhone Business Toolpad
Doing Business with a Servant’s Heart YouTube Channel
Jimmy Buffet - Brown Eyed Girl
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
5 Year Gratitude Journal:
Grounded in Gratitude on Etsy
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Genein Letford, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 219, Special Guest, Dr. Maureen Reusche.

Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
217. Genein Letford - Brain Matters
Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
"Generosity is good for the brain.”
”Be intentional and ask yourself, 'When was the last time I did something for the first time?'”
“We have to intentionally put ourselves in new spaces.”
“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The next best time is today.”
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Intercultural Creativity
02:53 The Journey of Genein Letford
05:55 Understanding Intercultural Creativity
09:01 The Importance of Cultural Awareness
11:57 Benefits of Expanding Awareness
15:00 The Role of the Brain in Creativity
18:03 Emotional Intelligence and Learning
20:57 The Arts as a Justice Issue
23:57 Lifelong Learning and Curiosity
26:58 Practical Steps for Creative Engagement
30:25 Unlocking Hidden Potential Through Music
32:20 The Power of Emotional Regulation and the Arts
34:38 Recharging the Brain: The Importance of Breaks
37:48 Seven Pillars of Brain Health
39:19 The Importance of Creativity in Education
42:51 Curiosity and Generosity: Keys to a Fulfilling Life
46:14 Prismatic Leadership: Seeing Hidden Talents
51:17 Legacy of Intercultural Creativity
Episode Summary:
In this conversation, Genein Letford, a pioneer in intercultural creativity, shares her journey from being an elementary school teacher to becoming a leading voice in creative and intercultural competencies. She discusses the importance of understanding our cultural lenses and how they affect our perception of creativity. Letford emphasizes the need for curiosity and lifelong learning, highlighting the role of the arts in brain development and emotional intelligence. She provides practical advice on how to engage with different cultures and expand one's awareness, ultimately advocating for a more inclusive and creative approach to education and leadership. In this conversation, Genein Letford discusses the importance of music, emotional regulation, and creativity in personal and educational development. She emphasizes the need for breaks to recharge the brain, the significance of integrating arts into education, and the role of curiosity and generosity in leading a fulfilling life. Letford also highlights the concept of prismatic leadership, which involves recognizing and nurturing the hidden talents of team members, and shares her vision for a legacy centered around intercultural creativity.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Expose yourself to different cultural lenses to influence your creativity.
Travel and make connections with diverse cultures.
Curiosity is a key driver of personal and professional growth.
The brain benefits significantly from engagement in the arts.
Emotional intelligence and brain safety is foundational for effective learning.
Arts education is a justice issue that impacts brain development.
Lifelong learning should include artistic experiences.
It's never too late to invest in creativity and learning.
Practical engagement with new experiences can rewire the brain.
Emotional regulation is crucial for success.
Dementia prevention starts in early education.
Generosity has positive effects on the brain.
Great leaders recognize hidden talents in others.
Flourishing creatively is key to a fulfilling life.
Guest Bio:
Genein Letford is a pioneer in the field of Intercultural Creativity™ and a national award-winning educator, best-selling author and global speaker on the creative and intercultural competencies. As a veteran TEDx speaker and top creativity trainer, she has inspired many professionals to redevelop their creative abilities in order to produce inclusive ideas for the classroom and workspace.
She is certified in the Intercultural Development Inventory Assessment and delivers one of a kind interactive training on intercultural creativity for organizations.
She is the founder and Chief Creative Officer of CAFFE InterCreative Strategies, LLC which trains leaders and employees to unleash their innovative thinking for themselves and in their work while building an inclusive environment.
Genein believes creative thinking surrounded by an environment of inclusion are critical skills and she is often called ‘America’s Champion of Creativity’ for her work in reigniting creativity and inclusiveness in our workforce.
Resources:
CaffeStrategies.com
GeneinLetford.com
Genein Letford on Linkedin (in/genein)
Genein Letford on Facebook (@GeneinSpeaks)
Genein Letford on Twitter/X (@GeneinLetford)
Genein Letford on Instagram (@geneinletford)
Genein’s books
Genein’s The Create and Grow Podcast
Creative Wealth Academy
Proud Mary by Tina Turner- go to karaoke song
Everything Under the Sun by Molly Oldfield
The social brain and its superpowers: Matthew Lieberman, Ph.D.
I Heard There Was a Secret Chord by Dr. Daniel Leventon, audiobook on YouTube
Music and Mind by Renée Fleming
Your Brain on Art by Dr. Ivy Ross and Dr. Susan Magnuson
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
5 Year Gratitude Journal:
Grounded in Gratitude on Etsy
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Genein Letford, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 218, Special Guest, Steve Ramona.

Tuesday Jan 21, 2025
216. Abby Havermann - Get Out of Your Mind
Tuesday Jan 21, 2025
Tuesday Jan 21, 2025
"Growth is not linear.”
”Focus more on who you're being and less on what you're doing.”
“We're all human beings. One is not better than another.”
“Accept where you are when you’re there.”
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Abby Haverman
01:30 Abby's Early Life and Background
03:05 Transformation Through Adversity
07:15 Awakening to Self-Worth
09:36 Understanding the Mind and Identity
13:51 Practices for Present Moment Awareness
18:06 Breaking Free from Past Loops
22:28 Identifying and Embracing Personality Parts
26:04 The Journey Towards Generosity
30:48 The Power of Service in Overcoming Stress
36:19 Awareness and Self-Compassion
41:18 Understanding Perfectionism and Fear
45:05 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Acceptance
48:06 Rapid Fire Insights and Personal Reflections
Episode Summary:
In this conversation, Shannon Cassidy interviews Abby Havermann, a seasoned psychotherapist and speaker, who shares her journey of transformation from a life of external validation to one of self-acceptance and purpose. Abby discusses her early life, the pivotal moments that led to her awakening, and the importance of understanding the mind's role in shaping our identity. She emphasizes the significance of being present, breaking free from past loops, and embracing the various parts of our personality. The conversation culminates in a discussion about the true nature of generosity and how to navigate the complexities of human experience with compassion and awareness. In this conversation, Abby Havermann and Shannon Cassidy explore the themes of stress relief through service, the importance of self-awareness and self-compassion, the roots of perfectionism, and the journey of self-discovery. They discuss how small acts of generosity can shift our focus from self-absorption to connection with others, and emphasize the need for awareness in recognizing our judgments and fears. The dialogue culminates in rapid-fire questions that reveal personal insights and reflections on living a fulfilling life.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Understanding the mind is crucial for personal growth.
We are not our thoughts or emotions; we are more than that.
Being present is key to overcoming the mind's chatter.
Growth is a spiral, not a linear process.
Observing our thoughts can lead to greater self-awareness.
Generosity stems from our true nature, not obligation.
Identifying personality parts helps in understanding ourselves better.
Self-compassion is essential in navigating life's challenges. When stressed, focus on being of service to others.
Small acts of kindness can shift our mindset.
Awareness is the first step to self-compassion.
Perfectionism is often rooted in fear of failure.
We are all human and make mistakes.
Inner peace comes from accepting ourselves as we are.
Guest Bio:
With a combined twenty-five years of experience, first as a psychotherapist and adjunct professor at the graduate level, then as a financial advisor, and now a TEDx and corporate speaker, trainer, and executive coach, Abby Havermann guides leaders to remember their power and purpose. Drawing on leading-edge neuroscience, ancient wisdom practices, personal and client experience, and heavy humor doses, she teaches you how to trade stress, anxiety, and self-sabotage for grounded, gracious, intuitive leadership. She is a former NeuroChangeSolutions Consultant, Heart Math Certified, and a Positive Intelligence Facilitator.
Resources:
The Intuition Incubator
www.abbyhavermann.com/
Abby’s TEDx Talk
Principal Weekly Announcements (Jabari Whitehead Ed. D.)
Could I have this dance? - Anne Murray
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Grounded in Gratitude on Etsy
Credits:
Abby Havermann, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 217, Special Guest, Genein Letford.

Tuesday Jan 14, 2025
215. Jabari Whitehead - Better Us, Better Them
Tuesday Jan 14, 2025
Tuesday Jan 14, 2025
"One of the best decisions I've ever made as a leader is just getting out of the way of people doing the work and being more of a support."
"But to go to a place where people allow you to be yourself and to grow with you is a great form of generosity that no leader should ever overlook."
"The obstacle is the way. The obstacle is the way. Whatever you're trying to get through, the way you're trying to get to, the obstacle is the most direct route. Turning and facing the obstacle is the direct path to being better."
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Jabari Whitehead
05:40 Generosity in the School Community
13:11 The Value of Generosity
22:01 Parenting and Leadership
29:22 Courage and Vulnerability in Leadership
35:37 Embracing Imperfection: Be Brave, Not Perfect
40:52 Better Us, Better Them: Leading by Example
50:30 The Power of Connection and Compassion
Episode Summary:
In this engaging conversation, Dr. Jabari Whitehead, principal of Chatham Park Elementary School, shares his journey in education, emphasizing the importance of generosity, connection, and discipline in both personal and professional life. He discusses the impact of community involvement, the value of daily habits, and the courage required in leadership. Dr. Whitehead advocates for a 'better us, better them' philosophy, encouraging self-improvement to foster a positive environment for students and families. He highlights the significance of vulnerability and the power of human connection in creating a supportive school culture.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Dr. Whitehead emphasizes the importance of seeing humanity in everyone.
Generosity in education builds trust and community.
Daily habits and discipline are crucial for personal growth.
Courage and vulnerability are essential traits for effective leadership.
The 'better us, better them' philosophy promotes self-improvement for better outcomes.
Connection with families enhances the school community.
Being brave, not perfect, allows for growth and learning.
Generosity leads to a more engaged and supportive environment.
Daily practices can create a positive school culture.
Connection is key to a fulfilling life.
Guest Bio:
Jabari Whitehead, Ed.D. is the Principal of Chatham Park Elementary School in the Haverford School District, a husband, a father of two teenagers (Avery & Evan) and an adjunct professor at Saint Joseph’s University of Philadelphia teaching doctoral and masters level courses in Educational Leadership.
With over 20 years of experience as an educator in K-12 in Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania and with 17 years in school leadership, Dr. Whitehead has spent his career dedicated to the growth of his students and community.
Dr. Whitehead received his Doctorate in Educational Leadership from Saint Joseph’s University, Class of 2017, with a focus on Transformational Leadership and the Socio-Cognitive Theory of Self-Efficacy. His prior education includes an M.S. in Educational Leadership from Saint Joseph’s, Class of 2005, and his B.A. in Elementary Education from Cheyney University of Pennsylvania.
Most recently Dr. Jabari Whitehead has lent his voice to the following…
Saint Joseph’s University Unlimited Learning Webinar Series: The Role of Mental Health in Education and Leadership (9/18/2020)
The Bridge Between YouTube Channel with Shannon Cassidy: Journey to Authentic Leadership (7/2/2020)
The Bridge Between YouTube Channel with Shannon Cassidy: Managing the Fear of Returning to School (8/4/2020)
WMMR Public Affairs Show- Discussion about Virtual Learning (9/6/2020) • Partnering with and speaking to police departments regarding policing practices in local municipalities
Panelist Speaker-GESU School Symposium 11/18/21 Working Together to Manage Pandemic Stress in Our School Communities
Contributing author to the educational leadership text, “Intersectionality and Leading Social Change in Education: Professional Learning to Transform Self, Others, and the Field”
Additionally, Dr. Jabari Whitehead is an avid reader, journals, a “Crossfitter”, trail hiker, enjoys any time at the beach, and being his children’s biggest cheerleader on the sideline for their sports (lacrosse and soccer). The real truth, Dr. Whitehead refers to himself as a mess and a masterpiece constantly evolving and becoming. Along the way, he lives each day to add value to the lives of others through vulnerability and connection.
Resources:
Daily Stoic Podcasts
Intersectionality and Leading Social Change in Education (Wang et. al, 2024)
Rich Roll Podcast
Rangan Chatterjee Feel Better Live More Podcast
Principal Weekly Announcements (Jabari Whitehead Ed. D.)
The Role of Mental Health in Education | SJU's Unlimited Learning Series
LinkedIn post
Marvin Snapp - Never Would Have Made It
Maxwell - Fortunate
Jill Scott - Golden
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
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How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Jabari Whitehead, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 216, Special Guest, Abby Havermann.

Tuesday Jan 07, 2025
214. Jeff Benton & Brett Weinroth - From Chaos to Coherence
Tuesday Jan 07, 2025
Tuesday Jan 07, 2025
"We are the creators of our own lives."
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Paragon Performance Evolution
04:52 Personal Journeys and Inspirations
09:55 The Impact of Stress and Mental Health
15:01 Understanding Emotions and Thought Patterns
20:06 Techniques for Coherence and Emotional Regulation
25:09 The Science of Heart-Focused Breathing
30:04 Generosity and Corporate Culture Transformation
31:18 Navigating Stress in Leadership Teams
33:08 The Cornell University Transformation Story
38:34 Creating Safe Spaces for Vulnerability
41:32 Practical Techniques for Coherence
47:05 Morning Intentions and Gratitude Practices
Episode Summary:
In this conversation, Shannon Cassidy speaks with Jeff Benton and Brett Weinroth from Paragon Performance Evolution about their journey in peak performance training. They discuss their personal backgrounds, the impact of stress and mental health, and the importance of emotional regulation. The conversation delves into techniques for achieving coherence through heart-focused breathing and the significance of understanding emotions in both personal and professional settings. They emphasize the need for a culture of generosity and emotional awareness in the workplace. In this conversation, Jeff Benton and Brett Weinroth discuss the impact of stress on leadership teams and the importance of creating safe spaces for vulnerability and authenticity. The discussion also covers practical tools for achieving coherence and the significance of morning intentions and gratitude practices in personal and professional growth.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Personal experiences of trauma can lead to profound transformations.
Stress impacts our emotional and physical well-being significantly.
Awareness of thoughts and emotions is crucial for personal development.
Heart-focused breathing can help regulate emotions and improve coherence.
Negative thoughts are common, but we can rewire our brains.
Mindfulness practices can help manage stress effectively.
Creating safe spaces allows for authentic vulnerability.
Gratitude practices can rewire team dynamics.
Morning intentions set the tone for the day.
Guest Bio:
Jeff Benton and Brett Weinroth with Paragon Performance Evolution, focus on peak performance training through various aspects of personal and collective growth. By developing customized leadership and high-performance programs, Paragon’s focus is to create a significant impact on client organizations, ranging from FORTUNE 500 companies to Special Forces, professional athletes, leading academic institutions, Global First Ladies, and even astronauts.
The core of Paragon's teachings revolves around achieving a coherent flow state through self-regulation and increased awareness of thoughts and emotions. By helping individuals attain this state of coherence, Paragon enables them to optimize key brain functions and improve overall physiology, leading to greater clarity, presence, joy and gratitude. This enables clients to achieve greater overall performance, and also deeper and more authentic relationships, at an individual, team and organizational level.
The topics covered in Paragon's peak performance programs are diverse and essential for personal and professional growth. Leadership, resilience, conscious and heart-centered leadership, coherent communication, and emotional intelligence are all vital areas that are a focus on the Paragon programs.
Overall, Paragon's approach is holistic, combining transformative methodologies with a deep understanding of human behavior to help individuals and organizations reach new heights of success and fulfillment.
Resources:
PerformanceParagon.com
Jeff Benton on LinkedIn (in/jeffrey-robert-benton-51240a4
Brett Weinroth on LinkedIn (in/bweinroth)
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
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How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Credits:
Jeff Benton and Brett Weinroth, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 215, Special Guest, Dr. Maureen Reusche.

Generous Leadership
R.O.G. Return on Generosity, hosted by Shannon Cassidy, is a half hour interview show featuring innovative leaders who cultivate a culture of giving, belonging and thriving together. In each episode, we’ll explore how generosity at work impacts the bottom line and address cultural dynamics, team behavior and peer relationships.
Visit bridgebetween.com to learn more about generous leadership and host Shannon Cassidy.