R.O.G. Return on Generosity
A half hour interview show featuring innovative leaders who cultivate a culture of giving, belonging and thriving together. In each episode, we’ll explore how generosity at work impacts the bottom line and address cultural dynamics, team behavior and peer relationships.
Episodes

Tuesday Jul 11, 2023
136. Working Genius | GALVANIZING with Julie Dobbins
Tuesday Jul 11, 2023
Tuesday Jul 11, 2023
“The genius of Galvanizing...love to rally people to get on board. They are creating energy around an idea or a plan. They are bringing momentum and direction for the team, and they really are keeping everybody moving and looking in the same direction.” - Julie Dobbins
Galvanizing Crave: Reaction
Galvanizing Crushed by: Apathy
The Genius of Galvanizing
The natural gift of rallying, inspiring and organizing others to take action.
Galvanizing – inspiring people around a project, task, or idea. “I need you to join my team.”
Guest Bio:
Julie Dobbins lives in Southern California with her husband and three boys. Her role at the Table Group is centered around being able to help teams use the Working Genius to transform their meetings, conversations and planning so that they can get more done in less time.
Resources:
Julie Dobbins on LinkedIn (in/julie-dobbins-64900b203)
The Table Group
At the Table with Patrick Lencioni (the Table Group's podcast)
Wonder by The Table Group
The Six Types of Working Genius
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
This month on R.O.G.: WIDGET Series - Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, Tenacity: The Six Types of Working Genius (episodes 132-138)
Credits:
Julie Dobbins, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday Jul 04, 2023
135. Working Genius | DISCERNMENT with Julie Dobbins
Tuesday Jul 04, 2023
Tuesday Jul 04, 2023
“The genius of Discernment is really about having a gut instinct and being able to see patterns, using a pattern and trend recognition. Using intuition to assess and refine and really figure out the viability of an idea.” - Julie Dobbins
Discernment Crave: Trust
Discernment Crushed by: "Prove it."
The Genius of Discernment
The natural gift of intuitively and instinctively evaluating ideas and situations.
Discernment – I use my intuition and instincts to evaluate and assess ideas. “I think you’re onto something.”
Guest Bio:
Julie Dobbins lives in Southern California with her husband and three boys. Her role at the Table Group is centered around being able to help teams use the Working Genius to transform their meetings, conversations and planning so that they can get more done in less time.
Resources:
Julie Dobbins on LinkedIn (in/julie-dobbins-64900b203)
The Table Group
At the Table with Patrick Lencioni (the Table Group's podcast)
Discernment by The Table Group
The Six Types of Working Genius
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
This month on R.O.G.: WIDGET Series - Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, Tenacity: The Six Types of Working Genius (episodes 132-138)
Credits:
Julie Dobbins, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
134. Working Genius | INVENTION with Julie Dobbins
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
Tuesday Jun 27, 2023
“The genius of Invention is probably the one that most people would think…they are geniuses! They're coming up with a new idea…creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.” - Julie Dobbins
Invention Crave: Freedom
Invention Crushed by: Constraint
The Genius of Invention
This is the natural gift of creating original and novel ideas and solutions.
Invention – People with the genius of invention tend to think and say, “What about this?”
Guest Bio:
Julie Dobbins lives in Southern California with her husband and three boys. Her role at the Table Group is centered around being able to help teams use the Working Genius to transform their meetings, conversations and planning so that they can get more done in less time.
Resources:
Julie Dobbins on LinkedIn (in/julie-dobbins-64900b203)
The Table Group
At the Table with Patrick Lencioni (the Table Group's podcast)
Invention by The Table Group
The Six Types of Working Genius
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
This month on R.O.G.: WIDGET Series - Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, Tenacity: The Six Types of Working Genius (episodes 132-138)
Credits:
Julie Dobbins, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday Jun 20, 2023
133. Working Genius | WONDER with Julie Dobbins
Tuesday Jun 20, 2023
Tuesday Jun 20, 2023
“Wonder is really about asking questions. It's about pondering and really seeing the big picture; seeing what's possible; looking at untapped potential; that need for improvement or for change in an industry, an environment or on a team or project.” - Julie Dobbins
Wonder Crave: Consideration
Wonder Crushed by: "Who cares?"
The Genius of Wonder
This is the natural gift of pondering the greater potential and opportunity in any given situation.
Wonder – I can see greater potential and opportunity in a given situation. “Couldn’t this be better?”
Julie Dobbins lives in Southern California with her husband and three boys. Her role at the Table Group is centered around being able to help teams use the Working Genius to transform their meetings, conversations and planning so that they can get more done in less time.
Resources:
Julie Dobbins on LinkedIn (in/julie-dobbins-64900b203)
The Table Group
At the Table with Patrick Lencioni (the Table Group's podcast)
Wonder by The Table Group
The Six Types of Working Genius
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
This month on R.O.G.: WIDGET Series - Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, Tenacity: The Six Types of Working Genius (episodes 132-138)
Credits:
Julie Dobbins, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday Jun 13, 2023
132. Julie Dobbins - The Six Types of Working Genius
Tuesday Jun 13, 2023
Tuesday Jun 13, 2023
132. Julie Dobbins - The Six Types of Working Genius
“The best leader is a self-aware leader. It's the leader who knows where they can contribute, how they show up, how they impact those around them.” - Julie Dobbins
Guest Bio:
Julie Dobbins lives in Southern California with her husband and three boys. Her role at the Table Group is centered around being able to help teams use the Working Genius to transform their meetings, conversations and planning so that they can get more done in less time.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Take The Six Types of Working Genius Assessment
Avoid the Fundamental Attribution Error
Resources:
Julie Dobbins on LinkedIn (in/julie-dobbins-64900b203)
The Table Group
At the Table with Patrick Lencioni (the Table Group's podcast)
Where to find R.O.G. Podcast:
R.O.G on YouTube
R.O.G on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G on Spotify
How diverse is your network? N.D.I. Network Diversity Index
What is your Generosity Style? Generosity Quiz
Coming Next: WIDGET Series - Wonder, Invention, Discernment, Galvanizing, Enablement, Tenacity: The Six Types of Working Genius (episodes 132-138)
Credits:
Julie Dobbins, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
131. Joe Fortune - Winning with Authenticity
Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
Tuesday Jun 06, 2023
131. Joe Fortune - Winning with Authenticity
“I either win or I learn.” - Nelson Mandella
“Authenticity is the pixie dust of supercharging potential, but also of creating a positive work culture at any level.” - Joe Fortune
Guest Bio:
Joe Fortune is CEO, Mast-Jägermeister US, leading Jägermeister, and Teremana Small Batch Tequila brands. Joe joined MJUS in 2016 as CFO, before assuming the role of CCO, where he made significant impact on Jägermeister. As an industry veteran holding leadership positions within both Diageo and Disaronno, Joe has well-rounded experience and powerful command of the spirits business. “We are a multi-generational business driven by our progressive brand-led culture, masterful execution, and authentic family-owned history. Our devotion to growing our people, supporting communities, and making bold decisions will ignite passion to drive continued success for our Jägermeister brand. Our incomparable entrance into the tequila category with Teremana was the most successful spirits launch in US history. We are proud to contribute our exceptional commercial expertise and core company values to propel the brand forward.” Joe Fortune, CEO, Mast-Jägermeister US
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Channel your inner Jäger (irreverent of spirit) and Meister (masterful and craft)
Know who you are. What are you good at? What are you not good at? Who do you need to surround yourself with?
Be true to yourself.
How can you create a volunteer day or way to generate compassion?
Don’t take things personally.
Hold tension.
Exchange genuine feedback for improvement.
Be authentic.
Resources:
History of Mast-Jägermeister
Mast-Jägermeister
Jägermeister
Teremana Tequila
The Six Types of Working Genius (episodes 132-138)
Please join us for the next seven weeks, Episodes 132- 138, with special guest Julie Dobbins, The Six Types of Working Genius. Special Series on The Six Types of Working Genius.
Credits:
Joe Fortune, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday May 30, 2023
130. Frank Patterson - Value of Time is Attention
Tuesday May 30, 2023
Tuesday May 30, 2023
130. Frank Patterson - Value of Time is Attention
“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not.” - Dr. Seuss
“Cash value of time is attention.” - Frank Patterson
Guest Bio:
Frank Patterson is a studio executive, entrepreneur and higher education thought leader. He serves as President and CEO of Trilith Studios, the second largest purpose-built film studio in North America, where Avengers: Endgame, WandaVision and The Suicide Squad were produced, among others. Most recently, he led the transition of the studio from a facilities business to a three-pillar business focused on content, technology, and world-class facilities.
Prior to Trilith, Patterson co-founded and served as the CEO of Pulse Evolution Corporation, a technology company that produces hyper-realistic digital humans for live and virtual reality applications. While at Pulse, Patterson produced the immersive live production of Michael Jackson’s “Slave to the Rhythm” at the Billboard Music Awards, which featured an original performance by Pulse’s digital human likeness of the late Michael Jackson.
Patterson launched his entertainment career by founding and leading several film production companies, including Houston Cinema Group and Envisage Media, where he produced and directed straight-to-video feature film content as well as commercials and various video products for brands.
As an educator, Patterson teaches producing at Florida State University’s College of Motion Picture Arts, where he served as dean for 14 years. He has taught at the University of Texas and Chapman University, where he also served as associate dean, and The Los Angeles Film School, where he led the school as president.
The “Hollywood Reporter” named Patterson one of the nation’s top mentors to a generation of Hollywood filmmakers. The Florida Governor’s Office recognized him for "inspiring a generation of Florida filmmakers" and for his "contribution to and support of production in Florida."
His creative and research activities are focused at the intersection of artificial intelligence and immersive technologies, with an interest in digital human agency.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
The cash value of time is attention. Where are you spending yours?
Get quality sleep for greater efficacy in your life.
How are you a catalyst for community?
“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not.” - Dr. Seuss
Resources:
Frank Patterson on LinkedIn (in/frankmpatterson)
Matt Walker - "Sleep is a Superpower" TED Talk
Kris Kristofferson - "Here Comes That Rainbow Again"
The GROW Method
G
Goal
The Goal is the end point, where the client wants to be. The goal has to be defined in such a way that it is very clear to the client when they have achieved it.
R
Reality
The current Reality is where the client is now. What are the issues, the challenges, how far are they away from their goal?
O
Obstacles
There will be Obstacles stopping the client getting from where they are now to where they want to go. If there were no Obstacles the client would already have reached their goal.
Options
Once Obstacles have been identified, the client needs to find ways of dealing with them if they are to make progress. These are the Options.
W
Way Forward
The Options then need to be converted into action steps which will take the client to their goal. These are the Way Forward. The "W" of GROW can also include When and by Whom and the Will (or intention or commitment) to do it.
Coming Next:
Please join us next week, Episode 131, with Joe Fortune, CEO, Mast-Jägermeister US.
Credits:
Frank Patterson, Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Tuesday May 23, 2023
129. Forgiveness | Generous Leadership Coaching Tip
Tuesday May 23, 2023
Tuesday May 23, 2023
Host Bio:
Shannon Cassidy is Founder and CEO of Bridge Between, Inc. a boutique leadership development firm specializing in behavioral change, executive presence, effective communication, collaborative teamwork, empowering leadership, and conflict resolution. She provides Executive Coaching, Facilitation (team sessions, retreats, conferences) and Keynote Speaking (conferences, annual events, ceremonies) and Mentoring Programs (associations, ERGs, leadership circles) all custom designed. She has a podcast called R.O.G. Return on Generosity that focuses on how to be a corporate generous leader by sharing time, talent and gratitude.
Shannon combines her keen ability to get to the heart of every matter with a proven track record as a corporate leader. Before founding bridge between, she spent years building profitable businesses and driving innovation and leadership initiatives. This real-world experience formed the bedrock of her success, enabling her to provide clients with the strategies, tools, and inspiration to thrive during organizational change and lead with vision, values, and purpose.
Shannon has authored several articles and books including Discover Your Inner Strength (2009), The Five Degree Principle: How Small Changes Lead to Big Results (2013), V.I.B.E. A Self-Discovery Journey to Authentic Leadership (2014) and Grounded in Gratitude a one-line-a –day, five-year gratitude journal (2015). Her current efforts focus on the benefits of Generosity at Work.
R.O.G. Takeaway Tips:
Forgive others.
Forgive yourself.
Choose the Road of Resolution.
Ask “what” and “how” questions.
Resources:
Forgiveness Quiz
Amish Grace and Forgiveness
BridgeBetween.com
The Five Degree Principle by Shannon Cassidy
V.I.B.E. by Shannon Cassidy
R.O.G. on Apple Podcasts
R.O.G. on Spotify
Video of this episode on YouTube https://youtu.be/ZSrR0GNdzBA
The Six Types of Working Genius (R.O.G. episodes 132-138)
Coming Next: Please join us next week, Episode 130, with special guest Frank Patterson, Value of Time is Attention.
Credits: Sheep Jam Productions, Host Shannon Cassidy, Bridge Between, Inc.

Generous Leadership
R.O.G. Return on Generosity, hosted by Shannon Cassidy, is a half hour interview show featuring innovative leaders who cultivate a culture of giving, belonging and thriving together. In each episode, we’ll explore how generosity at work impacts the bottom line and address cultural dynamics, team behavior and peer relationships.
Visit bridgebetween.com to learn more about generous leadership and host Shannon Cassidy.